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post Jan 17 2018, 01:07 AM
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Looking at the transfers, they were done on Jan 1st at 1:21pm AEST (4:21am Bulgarian time?).

New Year's resolution to stop playing games?
Was pissed and did it?
Was pissed and a mate did it?

Whatever the case, he should have communicated something to someone.

Part of me says the Netley is right in disregarding his score, but then part of me thinks that his captain would have seen the hits if he'd had a glance at the team (and they had plenty of time to do it), so should have benched him until confirmation of a WC.


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post Jan 17 2018, 01:12 AM
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QUOTE (vsberlina @ Jan 16 2018, 08:07 PM) *
Whatever the case, he should have communicated something to someone.

Maybe he's not able to communicate.

Let's just hope it was a temper tantrum or mates messing about with his account, and that he's otherwise ok.



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post Jan 17 2018, 01:12 AM
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QUOTE (kidZac @ Jan 16 2018, 04:39 PM) *
Don't think it's fair on the warriors if you just voided nichi's team like that. I suggest taking his previous week team and manually counting the points those players would have had for this week. If he hadn't communicated that he had changed team this week , his captain should have benched him in the first place seeing as he had coutinho in that team.

I like this suggestion, seems fair - but I'm biased because in looking at Nichi's team from last week it looks like we would get the 1 point laugh.gif


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post Jan 17 2018, 01:16 AM
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QUOTE (vsberlina @ Jan 16 2018, 08:07 PM) *
Part of me says the Netley is right in disregarding his score, but then part of me thinks that his captain would have seen the hits if he'd had a glance at the team (and they had plenty of time to do it), so should have benched him until confirmation of a WC.

But if it was a WC in progress it wouldn't have been filled with non-starters, which Tetley says is the case.

His team is dead.
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post Jan 17 2018, 01:41 AM
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QUOTE (kidZac @ Jan 17 2018, 12:39 AM) *
Don't think it's fair on the warriors if you just voided nichi's team like that. I suggest taking his previous week team and manually counting the points those players would have had for this week. If he hadn't communicated that he had changed team this week , his captain should have benched him in the first place seeing as he had coutinho in that team.

yeah i think this is fair as well. should have benched him if he didn't send his team to the captain.
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post Jan 17 2018, 01:46 AM
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QUOTE (PTC @ Jan 17 2018, 09:16 AM) *
But if it was a WC in progress it wouldn't have been filled with non-starters, which Tetley says is the case.

His team is dead.


If he was sabotaged,he could still have salvaged it by playing his wc. Either way it's a captains responsibly to act accordingly when he doesn't receieve any updates from his team member, so in this case I believe his captain acted on the belief that nichi had his week 22 unchanged and deemed it worthy of a spot on the horseman position, if not he could have had him benched. To have his team voided and points be averaged out to a high 70s is totally unacceptable in my opinion.
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post Jan 17 2018, 02:07 AM
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QUOTE (Netley Lucas @ Jan 16 2018, 04:09 PM) *
I judged it to be sabotage BP rather than an error so voided his score. This decision was made as soon as I learnt of it and well in advance of last night's game and scores and I posted on here that it couldn't stand.

I can see your argument though so perhaps it's best to seek guidance on the matter from the captains and I will adjust the scoring if necessary.


Guidance posted above biggrin.gif
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post Jan 17 2018, 02:24 AM
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QUOTE (kidZac @ Jan 16 2018, 08:46 PM) *
If he was sabotaged,he could still have salvaged it by playing his wc. Either way it's a captains responsibly to act accordingly when he doesn't receieve any updates from his team member, so in this case I believe his captain acted on the belief that nichi had his week 22 unchanged and deemed it worthy of a spot on the horseman position, if not he could have had him benched. To have his team voided and points be averaged out to a high 70s is totally unacceptable in my opinion.

Valid point. And I know that if I was still on TJ's team...and we lost a point because of this (as have the Warriors)...well...there would be a lot of noise. wink.gif
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post Jan 17 2018, 02:47 AM
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QUOTE (PTC @ Jan 17 2018, 12:12 PM) *
Maybe he's not able to communicate.

Let's just hope it was a temper tantrum or mates messing about with his account, and that he's otherwise ok.

He's a FB friend. We've chatted many times. He was active last night just before I went to bed, but I was too tired to chat.
Will try and get him a little earlier tonight.


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post Jan 17 2018, 02:51 AM
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QUOTE (PTC @ Jan 17 2018, 12:16 PM) *
But if it was a WC in progress it wouldn't have been filled with non-starters, which Tetley says is the case.

His team is dead.

I meant that if the captain checked his team, he'd have seen a whole heap of transfers made.
But they wouldn't have been able to see the transfers until after deadline.
The hits alone would have been enough for them to bench him in a provisional lineup, until they'd heard otherwise.


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post Jan 17 2018, 03:17 AM
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QUOTE (vsberlina @ Jan 16 2018, 09:47 PM) *
He's a FB friend. We've chatted many times. He was active last night just before I went to bed, but I was too tired to chat.
Will try and get him a little earlier tonight.

Ask him nicely what happened. Copy and paste his reply into this thread. biggrin.gif
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post Jan 17 2018, 04:02 AM
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QUOTE (kidZac @ Jan 17 2018, 01:46 AM) *
To have his team voided and points be averaged out to a high 70s is totally unacceptable in my opinion.


That suggests if the Lions 4th rank had averaged say 40 it would be acceptable to have treated Nichi's sabotage as a substitution event? Surely the subsequent effect of the decision made on the 14th is not the primary issue - the issue is whether that decision was right or wrong, not how convenient or inconvenient the consequences were?

As I've already stated I'm not at all sure I've got this one right, I am minded to reverse the decision and allow Nichi's score to stand because doing otherwise would set an uncomfortable precedent as any future occurrence may not be quite so benign or convenient.


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post Jan 17 2018, 04:46 AM
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Thanks for the feedback everyone, I think we've come to the correct decision. The original decision to bench due to sabotage may have felt 'the right thing to do' at the time and was not challenged at the time - and BP's eventual acceptance was clearly coming from a similar place. However it's important to make the right decisions for the right reasons and I think there was a danger that the wrong decision may have been made for the 'right' reason and a bad precident would likely be challenged in future.
Let's hope all is well with Nichi, the original order posted must stand and points, tables and awards have been ammended.

The Arena - GW23 Amended Results

The Renegades

87 - vsberlina

97 - crazylegs
68 - Clinical

88 - hsctitans
74 - andygreenley76
52 - wrfly

101- Netley Lucas
91 - Fil Ferret
72 - ESKy
60 - cchuasia
49 - Tea Cup

261 + 247.5 + 214 + 223.8 = 946.3


The Assassins

79 - saroof

79 - FunnyBunny
79 - kidZac

76 - crazytarun
73 - Huy Phung
64 - Ryanbest11

86 - 5uperman FC
81 - MadMax
75.25 - Average V 301/4
74 - Petke
60 - Duck Fart09

Bench: 43 - goghi nator

237 + 237 + 213 + 225.75 = 912.75


The Jolly Rogers

95 - kitasuke

84 - lozzer
59 - Bertie

89 - Sanki'sXI
55 - tigerjames
51 - b52

71 - JoeCole79
68 - ExecutorAzmin
64 - Cadiz71
52 - jammo
34 - drunkflyer

285 + 214.5 + 195 + 173.4 = 867.9


La Cosa Nostra

71 - soulofwigan

94 - VNPlayboy
45 - Arteyu

80 - pvtsnapper
61 - baat
47 - Grattan

90 - nahmartin
88 - manumaniac
76 - Andrewyee89
67 - ns800
45 - peterorange

213 + 208.5 + 188 + 219.6 = 829.1


The Warriors

84 - Spurs Crew

66 - Ice66
47 - RAPID

74 - bp9000
61 - Dex
56 - Shirubagan

79 - SniperQ
67 - C.Ronaldo
66 - Elcapitan
57 - SuarezPower
52 - ecvtan

252 + 169.5 + 191 + 192.6 = 805.1


The Lions

65 - carrick

78 - leehweb
48 - rothion

72 - Mistaken_Identity
72 - WALOR
66 - alanycl

92 - krs
87 - AndrewCM
71 - kaka81
48 - JP88
-51 -NichiNichev

195 + 189 + 210 + 148.2 = 742.2


The Reserves

58 - raul
48 - Universal Spirit


Top 10k Average: 71.2


The Arena Table - After 23 Gameweeks

1) The Renegades(63.5)
1) The Warriors(63.5)
3) The Assassins(58)
4) La Cosa Nostra(57)
5) The Lions(52)
6) The Jolly Rogers(51)


Weekly Awards - GW23 | G3 S2 B1 WS-1

Gold: 101 - Netley Lucas
Silver: 97 - crazylegs
Bronze: 95 - kitasuke
Wooden Spoon: -51 - NichiNichev


Weekly Awards - GW23 Update

11pt: RAPID - 3 x Gold(9), 1 x Silver(2)

9pts: kidZac - 2 x Gold(6), 1 x Silver(2), 1 x Bronze(1)

9pts: carrick - 1 x Gold(3), 2 x Silver(4), 2 x Bronze(2)

7pts: leehweb - 1 x Gold(3), 2 x Silver(4)

6pts: VNPlayboy - 2 x Gold(6)

6pts: cchuasia - 1 x Gold(3), 1 x Silver(2), 1 x Bronze(1)
6pts: Petke - 1 x Gold(3), 1 x Silver(2), 1 x Bronze(1)

5pts: alanycl - 2 x Gold(6), 1 x Wooden Spoon(-1)
5pts: Arteyu - 2 x Gold(6), 1 x Wooden Spoon(-1)

5pts: tigerjames - 1 x Gold(3), 1 x Silver(2), 2 x Bronze(2), 2 x Wooden Spoon(-2)

5pts: Bertie - 1 x Gold(3), 1 x Silver(2)
5pts: soulofwigan - 1 x Gold(3), 1 x Silver(2)

5pts: lozzer - 2 x Silver(4), 1 x Bronze(1)

5pts: rothion - 5 x Bronze(5)

4pts: krs - 1 x Gold(3), 1 x Silver(2), 2 x Bronze(2), 3 x Wooden Spoon(-3)

4pts: Saroof - 1 x Gold(3), 1 x Bronze(1)

4pts: ecvtan - 2 x Silver(4)
4pts: Spurs Crew - 2 x Silver(4)

3pts: baat - 1 x Gold(3)
3pts: jammo - 1 x Gold(3)
3pts: Netley Lucas - 1 x Gold(3)

3pts: Manumaniac - 1 x Silver(2), 1 x Bronze(1)
3pts: Shirubagan - 1 x Silver(2), 1 x Bronze(1)

2pts: 5uperman FC - 1 x Gold(3), 1 x Wooden Spoon(-1)

2pts: crazylegs - 1 x Silver(2), 1 x Bronze(1), 1 x Wooden Spoon(-1)

2pts: Cadiz71 - 1 x Silver(2)
2pts: Clinical - 1 x Silver(2)
2pts: crazytarun - 1 x Silver(2)
2pts: Fil Ferret - 1 x Silver(2)
2pts: FunnyBunny - 1 x Silver(2)
2pts: Grattan - 1 x Silver(2)
2pts: hsctitans - 1 x Silver(2)
2pts: JoeCole79 - 1 x Silver(2)
2pts: nahmartin - 1 x Silver(2)
2pts: peterorange - 1 x Silver(2)

2pts: andygreenley76 - 2 x Bronze(2)
2pts: Dex - 2 x Bronze(2)

1pts: Duck Fart09 - 1 x Gold(3), 2 x Wooden Spoon(-2)

1pts: NichiNichev - 1 x Silver(2), 1 x Wooden Spoon(-1)
1pts: Ryanbest11 - 1 x Silver(2), 1 x Wooden Spoon(-1)

1pts: AndrewCM - 1 x Bronze(1)
1pts: C.Ronaldo - 1 x Bronze(1)
1pts: Elcapitan - 1 x Bronze(1)
1pts: kaka81 - 1 x Bronze(1)
1pts: kitasuke - 1 x Bronze(1)
1pts: Sanki'sXI - 1 x Bronze(1)
1pts: Tea Cup - 1 x Bronze(1)
1pts: vsberlina - 1 x Bronze(1)

-1pt: ExecutorAzmin - 1 x Gold(3), 4 x Wooden Spoon(-4)

-1pt: drunkflyer - 1 x Wooden Spoon(-1)
-1pt: goghi nator - 1 x Wooden Spoon(-1)
-1pt: pvtsnapper - 1 x Wooden Spoon(-1)

-2pt: MadMax - 2 x Wooden Spoon(-2)

-4pt: raul - 4 x Wooden Spoon(-4)


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post Jan 17 2018, 05:01 AM
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I note Nichi's SV is now;

Squad value
£100.6
In the bank
£0.0

Gameweek transfers: 0

This suggests activity has taken place and he's triggered his WC? It was 35m in the bank ohmy.gif

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post Jan 17 2018, 01:55 PM
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QUOTE (Netley Lucas @ Jan 17 2018, 05:01 AM) *
I note Nichi's SV is now;

Squad value
£100.6
In the bank
£0.0

Gameweek transfers: 0

This suggests activity has taken place and he's triggered his WC? It was 35m in the bank ohmy.gif

#nichigate

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post Jan 17 2018, 02:15 PM
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Nichi really needs to tell us his story.

I hope alcohol was involved.
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QUOTE (Netley Lucas @ Jan 17 2018, 01:01 PM) *
I note Nichi's SV is now;

Squad value
£100.6
In the bank
£0.0

Gameweek transfers: 0

This suggests activity has taken place and he's triggered his WC? It was 35m in the bank ohmy.gif

#nichigate

Until we have news from him or we have a replacement, he will be put in bench.


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post Jan 19 2018, 10:06 AM
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QUOTE (rothion @ Jan 19 2018, 12:12 PM) *
Until we have news from him or we have a replacement, he will be put in bench.

Now I would risk! laugh.gif


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