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Netley Lucas
post Aug 15 2017, 02:18 AM
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I see the sneeringly biased BBC are at it again, can't accept they lost, pay us or go te jail...


Brexit: UK suggests 'temporary customs union' with EU

The UK has set out the "ambitious new customs arrangement" it wants to secure with the EU after Brexit.
Ministers said the plans would mean the "freest and most frictionless possible trade" with the rest of Europe.
This could include a "temporary customs union" after Brexit to prevent border problems as the UK leaves the EU.
Businesses have called for clarity since the UK said it was leaving the customs union - the EU's tariff-free trading area - as part of Brexit.
The customs union document is the first of a series of papers to be published by the UK government on key negotiation issues.
On Wednesday it is expected to set out proposals for the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.
What is the customs union?
Countries in the customs union don't impose tariffs - taxes on imports - on each other's goods.
Every country inside the union levies the same tariffs on imports from abroad.
So, for example, a 10% tariff is imposed on some cars imported from outside the customs union, while 7.5% is imposed on roasted coffee.
Other goods - such as soap or slate - have no tariffs.
The UK's departure from the EU's customs union was confirmed at the weekend in a joint article by Chancellor Philip Hammond and Trade Secretary Liam Fox.
A 'streamlined' border
According to the newly-published government paper, the UK could ask Brussels to establish a "temporary customs union" after it leaves the EU in March 2019.
But during this period, it would also expect to be able to negotiate its own international trade deals - something it cannot do as an EU customs union member.
Once this period expires, the UK will look to agree either a "highly streamlined" border with the EU, or a new "partnership" with no customs border at all.
The government said the interim arrangements would mean businesses would only have to adjust once to the new arrangements.
All of this will have to be negotiated with the EU - and the two sides have not yet even started discussing trade matters.
Other obstacles - including the size of the UK's "divorce bill" - need to be agreed first.
Mixed UK reaction
Keir Starmer, Labour's shadow Brexit secretary, said the proposals were "incoherent and inadequate" and were designed to "gloss over deep and continuing divisions within the cabinet".
"These fantastical and contradictory proposals provide no guidance for negotiators or certainty for businesses," he added.
Liberal Democrat Brexit spokesman Tom Brake said the plan would "only delay the economic pain caused by leaving the customs union".
"We still face the prospect of more red tape for businesses, longer queues at our borders and higher prices for consumers once the transition comes to an end."
However, the CBI, which represents British businesses, said the proposal was "encouraging".
Its deputy director general, Josh Hardie, added: "The clock is ticking and what matters now is giving companies the confidence to continue investing as quickly as possible."
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Analysis: UK 'hustles' Brussels
Adam Fleming, BBC Brussels reporter, said the UK was seeking a customs union agreement "that will keep things broadly the same for an interim period - an attempt to reassure business".
"Firms will be told they'll only have to change their processes once," he said.
"In Brussels, EU negotiators are likely to stick to their position that that the future relationship can't be considered until agreement has been reached on their priority issues - the rights of citizens, a financial settlement and the Irish border."
BBC political correspondent Ben Wright said the UK government was "straining to show that it does have a route-map for Brexit".
He said ministers were also attempting to "subtly" put the issue onto the negotiating table sooner than Brussels wants.
"They want to hustle EU negotiators into talking about trade much sooner than Brussels intends," our correspondent said.
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post Aug 15 2017, 02:21 AM
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BBC political correspondent Ben Wright said the UK government was "straining to show that it does have a route-map for Brexit".

Out means out Ben, get used to it. Force another ref BBC crime, we'll vote OUT every day of the week. biggrin.gif
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post Aug 15 2017, 02:23 AM
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...then we'll have a ref on BBC licence theft... Ben laugh.gif
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post Dec 5 2017, 07:16 AM
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The government's chief whip, Julian Smith, is understood to have held talks with his DUP opposite number, Sir Jeffrey Donaldson, on Monday evening, as efforts began to get the party on side. (bbc)
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post Dec 5 2017, 07:25 AM
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This what happens when you don't get a majority, DUP stall it. No doubt a tactic but it's a pain to see this happen when we could be cracking on with trade talks. Remainers will see this a chance to stop it, but remember the DUP are ultra-leave so they swing it, ironically.
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post Dec 5 2017, 12:05 PM
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QUOTE (Netley Lucas @ Dec 5 2017, 07:16 AM) *
The government's chief whip, Julian Smith, is understood to have held talks with his DUP opposite number, Sir Jeffrey Donaldson, on Monday evening, as efforts began to get the party on side. (bbc)

Just bung them another £1 billion rolleyes.gif
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post Dec 9 2017, 02:20 AM
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QUOTE (Peterorange @ Dec 5 2017, 12:05 PM) *
Just bung them another £1 billion rolleyes.gif


Sent a cheque off te Arlene, laugh.gif
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post Apr 29 2018, 09:55 PM
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I wonder if nasty, spiteful bitter soft lefty snowflakes will get their revenge...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKoS5X4SMrY

hic!
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post Apr 30 2018, 12:07 AM
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QUOTE (Netley Lucas @ Apr 29 2018, 05:55 PM) *
I wonder if nasty, spiteful bitter soft lefty snowflakes will get their revenge...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKoS5X4SMrY

hic!

If they do I'm sure there will be panic on the streets of Carlisle and Humberside.
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post Nov 16 2018, 09:02 PM
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Well, it turns out Brexit was a ridiculous idea from the beginning and we are now in an awful position.

Who’d have predicted that eh? Well, anyone with half a brain, actually.
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post Nov 16 2018, 11:18 PM
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QUOTE (Spurs Crew @ Nov 16 2018, 04:02 PM) *
Well, it turns out Brexit was a ridiculous idea from the beginning and we are now in an awful position.

Who’d have predicted that eh? Well, anyone with half a brain, actually.

The concept, the execution...or both?
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post Nov 16 2018, 11:19 PM
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QUOTE (Spurs Crew @ Nov 17 2018, 12:02 AM) *
Who’d have predicted that eh? Well, anyone with half a brain, actually.

So, why?

Seems like the twin of the Trump nonsense... or vice versa.


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post Nov 16 2018, 11:33 PM
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QUOTE (RAPID @ Nov 16 2018, 11:19 PM) *
So, why?

Seems like the twin of the Trump nonsense... or vice versa.


Basically, the Leave campaign won the referendum by cheating and lying to the British public. They said it would be easy to leave the EU (it isn't) and that there were no negatives (there's so many) and loads of positives of leaving (there aren't). They conned the uneducated and the people with deep lying hatred towards people not originally from this country, essentially racists. Anyone who has ever felt hard done by in life was targeted by the Leave campaign and they were told it's all the EU's fault, and blah blah blah.

Brexit is a total disaster, and there should NEVER have been a referendum in the first place. The majority of people (on both sides to be honest) had zero clue as to what they were voting for. We elect a Government to make these kind of decisions for us, that's the whole point of having one. Now that the country is a little more aware of how bad Brexit is for this country, I'm hoping the Government will see sense and have a 2nd referendum. But knowing this lot, we'll just go with this deal and ruin this country for a generation. And the ironic thing is that the majority of people that have voted for this will be dead in the next 30 years anyway, so what do they care? Farcical.
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post Nov 17 2018, 06:33 PM
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QUOTE (Spurs Crew @ Nov 16 2018, 06:33 PM) *
Brexit is a total disaster, and there should NEVER have been a referendum in the first place.
The majority of people (on both sides to be honest) had zero clue as to what they were voting for.
We elect a Government to make these kind of decisions for us, that's the whole point of having one.


So, you're just not that into democracy, I guess.
No need for the grubby, smelly little people who lack your sophistication and superior insight to vote at all, really.
Let's let the smart set just get on with it and rule over the scum (at least until they can all be sterilized and replaced by robots).


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post Nov 17 2018, 07:55 PM
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QUOTE (WALOR @ Nov 17 2018, 01:33 PM) *
So, you're just not that into democracy, I guess.
No need for the grubby, smelly little people who lack your sophistication and superior insight to vote at all, really.
Let's let the smart set just get on with it and rule over the scum (at least until they can all be sterilized and replaced by robots).

Screw that. I vote to reintroduce slavery.
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post Nov 17 2018, 08:46 PM
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QUOTE (PTC @ Nov 17 2018, 02:55 PM) *
Screw that. I vote to reintroduce slavery.


Agreed, for anyone who finishes FPL outside 100k OR


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post Nov 17 2018, 10:52 PM
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QUOTE (WALOR @ Nov 17 2018, 09:33 PM) *
So, you're just not that into democracy, I guess.
No need for the grubby, smelly little people who lack your sophistication and superior insight to vote at all, really.
Let's let the smart set just get on with it and rule over the scum (at least until they can all be sterilized and replaced by robots).



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QUOTE (WALOR @ Nov 17 2018, 11:46 PM) *
Agreed, for anyone who finishes FPL outside 100k OR

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post Nov 18 2018, 03:43 PM
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QUOTE (WALOR @ Nov 17 2018, 06:33 PM) *
So, you're just not that into democracy, I guess.
No need for the grubby, smelly little people who lack your sophistication and superior insight to vote at all, really.
Let's let the smart set just get on with it and rule over the scum (at least until they can all be sterilized and replaced by robots).


What on earth are you talking about? Everyone deserves a vote in things like the General Election. But you can't possibly think that every single decision in this country should go down to a public vote. This isn't the X Factor. The whole point of electing a Government is for them to make decisions based on the best interests of a country. The average person isn't capable of making those decisions. That's why we elect people who are. The entire setup of an election is the Government you end up with after an election is the one that represents the nation.

The majority of this country did not understand the pros and cons of Brexit when the referendum took place. I may have understood more than most because I spent a considerable amount of time researching it due to my job and just in general interest, but I didn't understand it all either. It's a decision that should have been made by the MPs of this country. It's literally their job to understand this and make the decision in the best interest of the country. If it had been a vote in the Houses of Parliament, it wouldn't even have been close. The only reason it ended up as a referendum was because David Cameron was worried about a power struggle within his own party and thought agreeing to a referendum would solidify his own power within his own party.
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