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Netley Lucas
post Apr 29 2018, 12:24 PM
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As the season draws to a close maybe it's a good opportunity to raise issues and suggestions on how to improve the game next season while they're still fresh in our minds. My thoughts;

Squad - Maybe simplify things by reducing starters back to 7 (1-2-4) and having a proper squad & bench? This will give captains more leeway to bench inactive/uncommunicative players as well as tactically. This would have meant having a squad of 11 this season and starting 7 each week.

Scoring - Too complex, unwieldy & time consuming. Maybe go back to the simple 1-2-4? Scoring needs to be easier and quicker. It should take no more than 10 mins per team and I think it needs to go back to the teams to do... should make it more fun and get more folk involved etc.

Admin - This should become almost redundant as teams take back scoring. There will need to be some collating of submitted scores, bit of checking & filing, not onerous at all.





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post Apr 29 2018, 12:34 PM
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QUOTE (Netley Lucas @ Apr 29 2018, 08:24 AM) *
As the season draws to a close maybe it's a good opportunity to raise issues and suggestions on how to improve the game next season while they're still fresh in our minds. My thoughts;

Squad - Maybe simplify things by reducing starters back to 7 (1-2-4) and having a proper squad & bench? This will give captains more leeway to bench inactive/uncommunicative players as well as tactically. This would have meant having a squad of 11 this season and starting 7 each week.

Scoring - Too complex, unwieldy & time consuming. Maybe go back to the simple 1-2-4? Scoring needs to be easier and quicker. It should take no more than 10 mins per team and I think it needs to go back to the teams to do... should make it more fun and get more folk involved etc.

Admin - This should become almost redundant as teams take back scoring. There will need to be some collating of submitted scores, bit of checking & filing, not onerous at all.

No player wants to be benched. If it happens too often they'll just quit.

Smaller teams is the answer...but, as you know, finding enough captains is the issue.

Teams should always do their own scores, and post them immediately after each game week. People let you do the scores because they're lazy.

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post Apr 29 2018, 12:42 PM
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QUOTE (PTC @ Apr 29 2018, 01:34 PM) *
No player wants to be benched. If it happens too often they'll just quit.

Smaller teams is the answer...but, as you know, finding enough captains is the issue.

Teams should always do their own scores, and post them immediately after each game week. People let you do the scores because they're lazy.


The squad system works well on FFS Community Watch tournament - 10 man squad, manager starts 7, no complaints. It grows each year Charlie, more folk join.

More teams just for the sake of it didn't work with SS. Needs enthusiastic managers... can you think of any? whistling.gif

Scoring must be quick & easy for folk to do it properly, it's too much atm to even get folk posting updates laugh.gif


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I'd also have 1 captain and 2 VCs on each team. More cover to help prevent missed deadlines for posting lineups.
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post Apr 29 2018, 12:45 PM
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QUOTE (Netley Lucas @ Apr 29 2018, 08:42 AM) *
The squad system works well on FFS Community Watch tournament - 10 man squad, manager starts 7, no complaints. It grows each year Charlie, more folk join.

More teams just for the sake of it didn't work with SS. Needs enthusiastic managers... can you think of any? whistling.gif

Scoring must be quick & easy for folk to do it properly, it's too much atm to even get folk posting updates laugh.gif

Yeah, but this isn't FFS. Never will be.

Fight it all you want, but the apathy will always be here.
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post Apr 29 2018, 12:48 PM
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QUOTE (PTC @ Apr 29 2018, 01:42 PM) *
I'd also have 1 captain and 2 VCs on each team. More cover to help prevent missed deadlines for posting lineups.


I was just about to suggest that! lol.gif

Not just posting orders, checking stuff like chips etc - a few have come unstuck, needs more leadership in teams


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post Apr 29 2018, 12:53 PM
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QUOTE (PTC @ Apr 29 2018, 01:45 PM) *
Yeah, but this isn't FFS. Never will be.

Fight it all you want, but the apathy will always be here.


The game is in good shape Charlie. Just needs a bit more fun brought back into it... less of me will be a good start. tongue.gif


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post Apr 29 2018, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE (Ice66 @ Apr 29 2018, 03:50 PM) *
i disagree, i think the system was fine previously.

1 Legatus, 2 Archers and 3-4 Horsemen. 6-7 of players per team. what's the point of having 4 players on the bench EVERY single week? i think the idea of bench should at most be 1 team and that should only be used sporadically. imagine if you're just too busy to let your captain know what your team is? also, the captain is just 1 guy, he can try all he wants, but he ain't perfect. he won't get the order right all the time. players who feel the captain ain't making the right decision may lessen his interest / devotion and ultimately wanting to quit the arena. best is to revert back to no more than 7 players per team.

this is what i said in the warriors thread, a reply to NL about having a team of 11 with 7 scoring players and 4 benched players. and then you said this, which i agree with... shok.gif

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No player wants to be benched. If it happens too often they'll just quit.

Smaller teams is the answer...but, as you know, finding enough captains is the issue.
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post Apr 29 2018, 05:57 PM
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QUOTE (Ice66 @ Apr 29 2018, 05:30 PM) *
this is what i said in the warriors thread, a reply to NL about having a team of 11 with 7 scoring players and 4 benched players. and then you said this, which i agree with... shok.gif


There is an issue with how many teams and do we just create teams like Suicide Squad when they are hopeless just to soak numbers up and make it look right?

Ideally we can have 10 teams of 7, 11 or 7... we have 6 atm bud. Do you want 4 or 5 more bloody Suicide Squads? Bulked out by managers who don't give a sheet? laugh.gif

Or would you prefer your manager to have a pool of players and decide who to select each week, like say in proper football?


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post Apr 29 2018, 06:01 PM
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Ice, don't confuse the increased numbers with bad players bud, some newbies are right up there wink.gif


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post Apr 29 2018, 06:10 PM
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Squad - Maybe simplify things by reducing starters back to 7 (1-2-4) and having a proper squad & bench? This will give captains more leeway to bench inactive/uncommunicative players as well as tactically. This would have meant having a squad of 11 this season and starting 7 each week.

Think it does come down to how many captains step forward.....Divide up the amount that want to play into the amount of teams we end up with.


Scoring - Too complex, unwieldy & time consuming. Maybe go back to the simple 1-2-4? Scoring needs to be easier and quicker. It should take no more than 10 mins per team and I think it needs to go back to the teams to do... should make it more fun and get more folk involved etc.


I have been lazy agree.gif enjoyed you doing the scores its a lot of work...So make the scoring as simple as possible wink.gif ...for the likes of me biggrin.gif ...1-2-4 wink.gif

Admin - This should become almost redundant as teams take back scoring. There will need to be some collating of submitted scores, bit of checking & filing, not onerous at all.


Thats fine with me...but in short weeks like thursday night games...give captains a helping hand smile.gif


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post Apr 29 2018, 06:18 PM
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QUOTE (tigerjames @ Apr 29 2018, 07:10 PM) *
Squad - Maybe simplify things by reducing starters back to 7 (1-2-4) and having a proper squad & bench? This will give captains more leeway to bench inactive/uncommunicative players as well as tactically. This would have meant having a squad of 11 this season and starting 7 each week.

Think it does come down to how many captains step forward.....Divide up the amount that want to play into the amount of teams we end up with.


Scoring - Too complex, unwieldy & time consuming. Maybe go back to the simple 1-2-4? Scoring needs to be easier and quicker. It should take no more than 10 mins per team and I think it needs to go back to the teams to do... should make it more fun and get more folk involved etc.


I have been lazy agree.gif enjoyed you doing the scores its a lot of work...So make the scoring as simple as possible wink.gif ...for the likes of me biggrin.gif ...1-2-4 wink.gif

Admin - This should become almost redundant as teams take back scoring. There will need to be some collating of submitted scores, bit of checking & filing, not onerous at all.


Thats fine with me...but in short weeks like thursday night games...give captains a helping hand smile.gif


Cheers bud, you have been a great support btw agree.gif

Can you take a squad? Start 7 and get the rest down below? laugh.gif Keep 'em happy rolleyes.gif

Can you do the scores each week, or tell PTC (who will be in TJR) to do 'em? biggrin.gif


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QUOTE (Netley Lucas @ Apr 29 2018, 07:18 PM) *
Can you take a squad? Start 7 and get the rest down below? laugh.gif Keep 'em happy rolleyes.gif

Can you do the scores each week, or tell PTC (who will be in TJR) to do 'em? biggrin.gif


I will be back next season wink.gif ....7? fine with me and a bench or whatever..
I can do the scores wink.gif ....have it that teams members can post the scores too if their around at different times...its helpful sometimes...

PTC.... whistling.gif ...depends how many places i have...


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I would request that we have 7 or max 8 players per team.
It has been very difficult to manage especially with many inactive players.

I agree each captain can do their own team score and puts less work on NL.


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QUOTE (tigerjames @ Apr 29 2018, 07:24 PM) *
I will be back next season wink.gif ....7? fine with me and a bench or whatever..
I can do the scores wink.gif ....have it that teams members can post the scores too if their around at different times...its helpful sometimes...

PTC.... whistling.gif ...depends how many places i have...


Basically I'm not doing the scores next season. So there is a a triple advantage... simplify the scoring so it's easier, anyone can do it in each side. Simplify the the starters, 1-2-4 like it was, soak up the numbers by squad, not new teams, unless they have enthusiastic managers who can compete etc.


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QUOTE (saroof @ Apr 29 2018, 07:32 PM) *
I would request that we have 7 or max 8 players per team.
It has been very difficult to manage especially with many inactive players.

I agree each captain can do their own team score and puts less work on NL.


Can't do the 1st unless we cut-off bud. Got some great newbies last time. Can you take a squad bud? So you select 7 from say 10 or more? You decide who to play each week? Tactical advantage, rest inactive players etc? I note your team has suffered from the lack of what I am suggesting... and mine has gained... evens things up in your bloody favour? lol.gif


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QUOTE (tigerjames @ Apr 29 2018, 09:24 PM) *
PTC.... whistling.gif ...depends how many places i have...

He doesn't care at all!


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QUOTE (RAPID @ Apr 29 2018, 08:08 PM) *
He doesn't care at all!


Constructive dismissal laugh.gif


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post Apr 29 2018, 07:19 PM
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The one good argument about the squad system is that those who are benched might leave.

This is the tail wagging the dog, and it's not true. FFS have a game that expands every year and has 7 starters and 3 bench. And they don't even play every week, we can use squads and do every week.


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All these proposed changes sound good especially cutting back the amount of players, there are some teams in Renegades that I still don't have a clue about, when it gets to that point you know its too big a fit, 7 players a team sounds great to me..


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