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Netley Lucas
post May 16 2017, 07:01 AM
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post May 16 2017, 07:54 AM
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post May 16 2017, 09:28 PM
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post May 17 2017, 09:55 AM
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Note how tiny the 'Conservatives' is? All about Strong & Stable Leadership this time, forget the party.
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post May 18 2017, 10:41 AM
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Ipsos Mori poll:

CON: 49% (-)

LAB: 34% (+8)

LIBDEM: 7% (-7)

GREEN: 3% (+2)

UKIP: 2% (-2)
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post May 18 2017, 11:17 AM
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Oh god.

This topic is going to end in tears either way biggrin.gif
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post May 19 2017, 12:02 AM
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QUOTE (BRFC @ May 18 2017, 07:17 AM) *
Oh god.

This topic is going to end in tears either way biggrin.gif

If we leave Tetley to talk to himself we'll be ok.
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post May 19 2017, 03:16 PM
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Now it's social care.

More than a million people don't get the care they need, the Labour leader says.

"This Conservative government has made a huge cut in social care budget already," he tells the audience, saying the Conservatives are putting a £100,000 cap on social care "which goes nowhere to meeting needs".

It's completed unrealistic, he says, vowing Labour will make sure social care is "properly funded". (bbc)

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That's not correct, the Tories have said assets of £100k are safe to pass on, it's above that that is to be used to fund social care. In effect it's a death-tax that kicks-in above £100k and is unlimited. This could be a problem for the Tories once people grasp what it really means.
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post May 20 2017, 10:40 PM
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Tory lead slashed with two pollsters following the manifestos:

YouGov / Sunday Times

CON: 44% (-5)

LAB: 35% (+4)

LIBDEM: 9% (-)

UKIP: 3% (-)

Survation / Mail on Sunday

CON: 46% (-2)

LAB: 34% (+4)

LIBDEM: 8% (-)

UKIP: 3% (-1)

Dementia tax proving unpopular. Though this election’s wobble weekend still sees the Tories comfortably ahead by 9 and 12 points…

(Guido Fawkes)
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post May 22 2017, 11:22 AM
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Massive May U-Turn on Dementia Tax... laugh.gif

"Theresa May has u-turned on her dementia tax policy and “clarified” that it will include an absolute limit on how much people will pay in care costs. The Tories are failing to put a figure on that limit. An exasperated May repeated “Nothing has changed”. That’s not true, this is a change in the policy, with no detail, uncosted.

May also bizarrely repeated the term “fake claims” to describe how the policy had been portrayed by Corbyn and the media. It is correct that Corbyn got the Tory social care policy wrong. But it is Trump-level alternative facts from May to describe the fears people had about the original policy meaning they could lose their homes as “fake claims”. They were not “fake claims”, they were fears about the policy as it was originally announced, made not just by Corbyn but by politicians and columnists on the right as well. That is why they had to u-turn. More “weak and wobbly” than “strong and stable”. So much for taking the tough decisions… " (GF)
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post May 23 2017, 07:14 PM
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The horrific events in Manchester have quite rightly put election campaigning on hold. There is political capital being made on all sides today but I will not play that game.
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post May 23 2017, 10:32 PM
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QUOTE (Netley Lucas @ May 23 2017, 03:14 PM) *
The horrific events in Manchester have quite rightly put election campaigning on hold. There is political capital being made on all sides today but I will not play that game.

You just did, by bringing it to this thread.
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post May 24 2017, 01:01 AM
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QUOTE (PTC @ May 23 2017, 11:32 PM) *
You just did, by bringing it to this thread.


Tricky, but I'm not commenting.
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post May 24 2017, 08:17 AM
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QUOTE (PTC @ May 23 2017, 11:32 PM) *
You just did, by bringing it to this thread.

No. He didn't.

Thoughts and prayers with the families.
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post May 24 2017, 10:51 AM
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QUOTE (Peterorange @ May 24 2017, 09:17 AM) *
Thoughts and prayers with the families.

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post May 24 2017, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE (Peterorange @ May 24 2017, 09:17 AM) *
Thoughts and prayers with the families.


Indeed Pete.

I believe the Tories have just said that national campaigning will resume on Friday. UKIP are jumping the gun by presenting their manifesto tomorrow. I think there's a danger that by halting the democratic process for too long it is seen as letting terror win, so Friday is probably about right.
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post May 26 2017, 07:12 PM
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Anyone expecting a rather sober & 'measured' return to national election campaigning maybe a little surprised at today's tone. The gloves actually came off straight away yesterday with UKIP saying the Gov must take some of the blame for Manchester before rowing back a bit to blame the terrorist(s). As the 'main' parties resumed today Jezzer launched into a big UK foreign policy = increased terrorism threat which was quickly attacked by Labour moderates, Libdems and the Tories for being opportunist, point scoring, too soon, wrong, terror apologist etc etc.
There was also some conspiracy theories/false flags coming from the harder left to the effect that Manchester helped May and maybe she had something to do with it. It's true the Tory lead has been slashed - Social Care Clusterfeck? - but this poll was actually done over the 24th & 25th so any 'leadership' benefits from the post-Manchester terror had not been evident from this poll.



Mind you, some of the venom being thrown at Jezzer for what are obviously his natural beliefs on foreign policy and have been for decades seems a bit contrived (all aboard the outrage bus)too.
Things are hotting up, let's see if the non-political junkies (most people) who watched Andrew Neil's interview with Corbyn tonight buy his vision or whether that 5% gap starts to increase. A swift conclusion to the current anti-terror operation in and around Manchester and getting troops off the streets could prove important. May still has questions to answer (properly) on social care, when current emergency issues have hopefully been settled.

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post May 26 2017, 07:46 PM
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QUOTE (Netley Lucas @ May 26 2017, 08:12 PM) *
Things are hotting up, let's see if the non-political junkies (most people) who watched Andrew Neil's interview with Corbyn tonight buy his vision or whether that 5% gap starts to increase.

No one in their right mind would buy anything from Corbyn. The guy is about as trustworthy as those people who cold call you with offers of PPI windfalls.


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post May 26 2017, 08:33 PM
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QUOTE (JFG @ May 26 2017, 08:46 PM) *
No one in their right mind would buy anything from Corbyn. The guy is about as trustworthy as those people who cold call you with offers of PPI windfalls.


There does appear to be polling evidence support for his UK foreign policy = UK terrorism argument. Andrew Neil pressed him hard on this as well as IRA support, Trident & Debt4Nationalisation tonight. If these recent polling numbers are representative of the wider electorate then May is in danger of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. I can't see it happening but we live in interesting times and events can change the mood of people. The overly aggressive (faux) reaction to what we all know are Corbyn's views perhaps suggests the Tories are a bit rattled atm?

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post May 31 2017, 11:09 AM
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So, at last we have a poll that shows what a disaster (so far) for the Tories May & Her Team have been. To let a 24% lead slip to losing an overall majority isn't just careless it's criminal.

Is it a rogue poll though? After all, the others seem to be 6 to 12 point lead?
There's no doubt Jezzer is by-and-large coming across far better as 'a proper/real human being' on the TV, he handles it all better - regardless of the topic and degree of difficulty. May is just trotting out well rehearsed soundbites and spin and that's fine in front of your own supporters but it looks shifty and bullsheet when challenged by good journos and real people.
The recent big polling surprises have generally been from the right of centre, the shy Tories, the shy Brexiteers and the 'shy Trumps' (!) Ordinary voters who've 'lived a little' who quietly go to the polling stations and vote and seem to have avoided pollsters, social media and the mainstream media agenda completely. Is it even remotely possible that Jezzer & Abbott are winning this silent 'conservative' majority over?
May has made some huge cock-ups, the list is becoming embarrassing. I sense many will overlook these blunders, even overlook her as being crap and simply see the Conservatives as the pragmatic answer to the question next Thursday.
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